Without popularising any easy-to-use and failure-safe alternative, the Railways are phasing out coupon booklets that can be purchased from ticket windows and validated by punching at starting station across the Mumbai suburban rail network
To avoid the long rush at the railway ticket counters, Mumbaikars have an easy option of using coupon vending machines (CVMs). Unfortunately, this would now be a thing of past. From March 2013, these coupons will not be available as the Railway board has decided to phase out them from circulation. This move is aimed to popularise the Railways’ own automatic ticket vending machines (ATVM) where a smart card (issued by the Railways) is used for buying tickets and season passes. However, passengers association are disappointed with the announcement. Just recently, the Railways also stopped selling coupons directly and instead asked commuters to buy it by standing in the queue, similar to other ticket buyers.
Vidyadhar Malegaokar, chief public relation officer, Central Railway, told Moneylife that, “It was an old notification from the railway ministry. We had requested them for an extension. Accordingly, the CVMs will be phased out by March 2013. Already ATVMs are been installed across stations. Once we have alternative, CVMs will be removed. At present, around 15% of ticket sales, on average, are coming through ATVMs.”
At present, across railway stations of Mumbai, there are 350 CVMs and 250 ATVMs on the Central Railway and 230 CVMs and 175 ATVMs on the Western Railway stations. On the Central Railway network, there are about 428 ticket booking windows that sell around 10 lakh tickets every day.
However, passenger associations have criticized the move calling it a deliberate attempt to kill the popular CVM scheme. “CVMs are easy to operate and popular among commuters. Earlier the railways allowed passengers to buy coupons without standing in the queue. But according to a circular, from 1st April, people have to stand in queue to buy coupons. Obviously, there is no rationale here. Commuters will migrate to ATVMs, which in reality is complicated to use. ATVMs just mean the railways will get full payment in advance,” said Madhu Kotian, president, Mumbai Rail Pravasi Sangh.
Mr Kotian adds that, “Unlike CVMs where only the coupon had to be punched, while using an ATVM a passenger has to give five commands. People who cannot read the instructions would not be able to use this; unlike the CVMs. Plus many of these expensive machines are non-functional. Instead they should have increased the number of CVMs. At the end only passenger will have to suffer.”
For using the ATVMs, the commuter needs to buy a smart card and then top it up or refill (similar to adding talk time in mobile) in multiples of Rs50. The smart card carries a deposit of Rs50, which means this money would be locked and remain with the Railways and you cannot use it for buying tickets. For buying tickets through the ATVMs, you need to refill it with minimum Rs50. The Railways offer a 5% discount on every refill, which means if you loaded the card with Rs100, then the refilled amount would be Rs105.
For using ATVMs, the commuter has to place his smart card on the sensor screen, select language (Marathi, Hindi or English), select appropriate zone, starting and destination stations, add number of adults and children and then give the print command.
Subhash Gupta, president, Yatri Sangh Mumbai, seconds the view. “There is a huge popularity of CVMs among the passengers. The reason behind long queues is the less number of ticket counters. Phasing out coupons will add to the problem. The Mumbai Division (railway) is already short of staff. So there is no hope for any additional ticket counter or window at any station. CVMs are easier to use as compared ATVMs, which can be used by people who can read or do any ATM transaction. We will demand with the railway board to not put an end to CVMs.”
He adds that, “Unless there is dedicated staff to resolve the technical problems, as often these machine breakdown, passengers won’t have any relief. These factors have to be considered by the Railways.”
At present, there are some facilitators (mostly Railway employees) at a few ATVMs who sell tickets to commuters by using their smart card. They also help commuters in buying tickets through these machines. However, their number is limited and they are not available at every station or ATVM.
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I take it that you arr trying to responding to my questions but have just shot at the tangent.
I GIVE 100 AND GET 52 AFTER DEDUCTING 50. WHY THIS IS SO COMPLICATED. DOUBLE TROUBLE. SIMPLE MATHS RATHER ARITHMATIC.
LET RAILWAY RESPOND. WHY THIS KOLAVERI DI.
THANK YOU FOR INFORMING ONE MORE VARIANT OF PAYMENT OPTION.
ANYONE WHO KNOWS OPERATIONS RESEARCH AND QUEUEING THEORY WILL AGREE THAT 20/30 SECOND WILL ONLY ADD TO THE PRESENT PROBLEM. AT THE COUNTER IT TAKES 5/10 SECONDS AND THERE ARE BIG QUEUES.
SUBMITTED MOST HUMBLY WITH A REQUEST TO ADDRESS THE CENTRAL POINT.
HOPE RAILWAYS APPOINT AN EXPERT COMMITY WITH CONSUMER FOCUS TO RETHINK. WHAT IS WRONG IN ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTED. LET THEM GO ABROAD TO STUDY.
Regards
RB Purohit
Today (28th May), three out of three Smart Card Ticket Vending Machines and one out of two CVMs are not working at Ambernath Station.
I brought my daughter to mumbai from ambernath, and had to purchase a ticket for her. I have a season ticket.
This is very frustrating.
Regards,
D Pereira
5% incentive is correct. If you refill with Rs 100, your ATVM card gets Rs 105/-. Since they operate with Rs 1 as least count, it is natural that Rs 50 refill will provide Rs 52. If it were loaded with Rs 53, people will load Rs 50 more frequently, defeating the purpose of queuing up at the window for a refill.
The Smart card is easier to carry than a booklet. I have used both. It is human nature not to change for better convenience because we fear inconvenience.
Booklets can become thriving business for fraudsters, ATVM cards, money is paid to railway account immediately as you do the refill.
Buying a smart card for Rs 20 that lasts as long as you take basic care in handling and over one year, for a purchase of tickets of value Rs 500, it is as little as 4%, less than 5% incentive given while doing a refill. Rs 500 expense on rail travel in one year is quite small.
Its monopoly. There is no competition. Can we take it to competition law? No why not. Will Supreme Court admit a class Action.
We dont get any answer for their arbitrary actions. The Deposit. Why? It is our money. RAILWAYS SHOULD GIVE OR TAKE SECURITY. A BANKER WILL BE HAPPY IF ALLOWED SUCH.
AND WHERE IS 5%. ITS ONLY 2 Rs YOU GET. 50 IS DEDUCTED. YOU GET 52. CAN WE TAKE THEM TO ASCI FOR WROND AND MISLEADING ADVERTISEMENT. WILL CONSUMER COURT TAKE IT UP. A PLAIN DAYLIGHTROBBERY.
AND WHERE IS CONSUMER CONVENIENCE IN THE NEW SYSTEM. FIRST BUY SMART RAILWAY CARD. PAY EXTRA MONEY. THEN KEEP IT ALWAYS IN YOUR WALLET IN ADDITION TO YOUR ATM CARD. THEN TAKE A TRAINING PROGRAM TO LEARN HOW TO USE IT. AND LOSE IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE. LOSE YOUR COOL AT THE COST OF RAILWAY MISTAKE OF BUYING THESE MACHINES. ANY TATRA TYPE SCAM FOR SOME ONE TO MAKE HAY TILL SUN SHINES.
WHY NOT SIMPLY VALIDATE BANK ATMS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
WILL ML TAKE THIS UP. WILL CONSUMER NGOs TAKE IT UP. WILL SOME ADVOCATES DO SOME PUBLIC SERVICE AS CSR. I WONDER.
Briefest answer for ATVM usefulness is, you carry a card, can fill it with min Rs 20, select your destination, number of adults, number of children and ask for a print out. The operation takes 20 to 25 seconds. It also gives platform tickets and I need to confirm, monthly & quarterly pass also.
This posting is not to argue but to enable you to know. Thereafter it is for you to decide whether to hold to your views or not.
But it sounds a great idea.
At least during our month's stay at Bangkok the phone and train cards available at 7/11 shops were great.
The benefits in terms of preventing loss of revenue are the main issue.
Best/VM
What sort of smart card do you have in Mumbai, can you please describe it?
Here in Delhi, we either tap the sensor or lay the smart card flat on the sensor (works even when the smart card is inside a wallet, for example). As I said, after a few times, you can swing past without breaking stride because the turnstile is about one step ahead.
Hope that helps. Maybe you need to work on your local authorities and tell them to look at Delhi Metro?
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My best wishes.
As for ATVM, it takes 25 seconds for a transaction including multiple tickets and return tickets for the same destination. Return ticket purchased is valid like any return ticket - valid till the mid night of next day or in case of Saturday, till midnight of following Monday. The smart card refill was in multiples of Rs 50 until recently when they have made minimum refill amount as Rs 20. Until recently, the CVTM has not been giving any problems.
The monthly pass is not transferable as it has to be accompanied with a photo identity.
Perhaps the display to select the destination could be improved upon but most people would learn quickly even at this design. The small fraction who do not know or need to know the Mumbai Rail system can always go to the ticket counter where the queue would not be long if most people have ATVM smart card.
People purchasing CVM Coupons need not be privileged to beat the queue as they are spending time in queue every once in a while. As regards First Class traveler, the queue priority is anyway being accorded, to save time of a high end ticket purchaser. Refilling smart card does not receive such privileges anyway.
On the whole, the smart card is most useful, even better than buying ticket at the counter.
1) The discount (which, btw is 10% in Delhi) is a boon to commuters.
2) Coupons can easily be counterfeited, while smart cards counterfeiting while possible, gets caught at the sensros.
3) Let us not underestimate the capabilities of all classes of people to adapt to this form of ticketing.
4) Adding value to the smart cards can be done onsite, online, at ATMs and vending machines. These can also be linked to parking charges.
All in all, smart cards reduce revenue leakage, and the sooner they are put in position, the better. Also, the tendency of mis-using "seasons tickets" for multiple journeys in the same day/date by people will be eliminated.
You pay for the travel you undertake.
The biggest benefit is that with a smart card, travel across the WR/CR and soon to come Mumbai Metro will become unified, hopefully - and no more of that racket of catching WR ticket people on CR and vice versa at Dadar WR/CR.
With smart cards, my submission is that a lot of rackets will end on Mumbai's suburban "local" train network, especially all sorts of undesirables hanging around on the platforms. The benefits far outweigh everything else.
Humbly submitted.