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Killing of Indian seafarers in cold blood off Kerala—the colonials strike again! (Part 3) February 20, 2012 08:30 AM | Veeresh Malik Share this article:
Two Italian officers, Major Paolo Fratini and Major Luca Flebus, were allowed by the District Court as observers at the ballistic tests. Unlike your Consul, they had come with the necessary documents to prove who they were.
How come you now forget mentioning this and saying 'sorry' ? Or are you just repeating what happens in your Mafia-Vatican country. Also the VDR data has been deleted, or not preserved as it is required by law. Goodfellas, this is going to be a BIG EVIDENCE - because recovering data will not be a problem for our IT experts, and show your people killed and tried to flee before they were brought back like common murderers by the Indian Coastguard.
Here's one report from the affidavit filed by the Indian Coast Guard. (Same Indian Coast Guard currently also assisting the COSTA ALLEGRA, engine breakdown in the same Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea, where they handle SAR and more):-
""The ship Master told investigators that he was not in a position to order the Naval detachment as they were directly reporting to their Command centre at Rome, the Coast Guard affidavit said.""
""The vessel rather than making water wall around the ship, undertaking evasive manoeuvring and other recommended best management practises to dissuade suspected pirates, resorted to "indiscriminate" firing which should have been the last option, that too only in self defence.
"Unfortunately the trigger happy security guards did not adhere to laid down regulations/advisories on anti-piracy measures,"
Dear Gallus, Giovanni, Antonio, Tino, and others -
1) Has it occured to people that if the complete system in India was so bad and unacceptable, that the Italian ship could simply have stayed far far away, out of Indian waters? Once again, look at the best ocean route from Malacca Straits towards Red Sea for Suez (declared destination) and try to tell us why this ship was so close to the Indian coast anyways?
2) Some posters here have been providing their (unasked for) opinions and views on the Indian legal, investigative and political system. If anything, the complete system is geared to be more than fair to foreigners, but at the same time - within Indian law.
3) Historically, the tricks by the colonials have been the same - try to bring in an inferiority complex with the locals wherever they go. It doesn't work anymore - everybody knows everybody's weak points now. For example, the realities of Italian politics, how the Italian police is so heavily linked with the Mafia, the judiciary in Italy - all these are open domain.
4) Now we come to a variety of UN resolutions and UNCLOS and other international "laws" being quoted - this is not the correct place, but if required, a book or three can be written about Italy's lack of adherence to a variety of international laws, so where does that get Italy?
Please, understand one thing - a crime has been committed on Indian territory, an Indian fishing boat flying the Indian flag, two men have been murdered. The investigation has to continue, the suspects have to be investigated.
As of now, it appears that the Italian Consulate in India is unable even provide documents authorising it to petition on behalf of the shipowner - because it is not known if, behind the corporate veil, the owner is actually Italian or from some other country!!
In which case, my contention that the armed guards on board were/are mercenaries, starts getting borne out.
Please, dear ITALIAN friends, I suggest you do some more investigation in Italy - is the ownership of the ENRICA LEXIE really Italian, that Italian soldiers were legally provided onboard?
The relationship between "flag state" and "beneficiary ownership" as well as "port state" may please be looked into deeper, UN resolutions apply too,as well as conventions of armed soldiers...
Apart from the emotional reactions of other posters here, objectively the unexpected refusal to admit our two forensic experts to the ballistic tests deeply undermines the credibility of the whole investigation. The Italian foreign affairs minister expressed his worry for this lack of transparency, and irritation for the overturn of Italian pacts with the police and court. The large portion of our public waiting the tests to form an opinion is now broadly convinced that there is a plot, and our soldiers are innocents. Not a clever move by Indian authorities, if they didn't have something to hide.
From a broader perspective, it seems that in our Old Europe the rights of defense are better protected. If a forensic test cannot be witnessed by the defense experts could be invalidated by the court, under certain conditions.
As far as the press, we were surprised to find straightforward statements re. "Italian murderers" and so on. Here again there is a cultural difference: in many European countries journalistic codes of ethics state that journalists should refrain from referring to suspects as though their guilt is certain. For example, they use "suspect" or "defendant" when referring to the suspect, and use "alleged" when referring to the criminal activity that the suspect is accused of.
Moreover, publishing of the prosecution's case without proper defence argumentation may in practice constitute a "presumption of guilt", damaging the reputation of innocent suspects. The chronicles of the world are full of conspirations based on mistake-riddled investigation that overlooked many solid leads, on a reckless prosecution and a manipulated public opinion.
Gallus, again possible jumping of the gun. Due process in India is procedural, and the separation of powers a near-nightmare for anyone new to the business. I wonder if the media in Italy still gets it: it is not India but Kerala, and more specifically, its district/State authorities, which have the crucial locus standi, and that India has "nothing to hide".
No Italian witnesses at today's balistic analyses ... because of the opposition of the Kerala police. That's Indian honesty and transparency, and the promise of collaboration. The police obtained the weapons by assuring the presence of our witnesses to the balistic tests, now they deny it and show their real face and bi-forked tongue. Go on, fabricate all your evidence, shoot our weapons and recover the bullets and put them in the boat ... One day the truth will be known, and this ignominious plot discovered. What a ridiculous joke!
They were innocent, but they will be guilty. Evidence is ripe and ready; tomorrow the big surprise: the magic bullets flying horizontally after being shot vertically have also changed their caliber in the flight, until matching the Italian rifles. Wizardry of the mysterious India!
Antonio, I report here the words of a post found in the Times of India:
"The Indian police will prove what the Indian politicians want them to prove- simple.The Indian police can fake evidence to nail someone, tamper with evidence to confuse everybody,make evidence disappear if required!! They are masters in this game and will carry out the orders as required by their political masters and of course for a price."
Sir - the Italian leading newspaper Corriere della Sera published yesterday a photo of the fishing boat, currently under custody. In the picture the trajectories of the bullets appear horizontal, despite the Enrica L. deck being 40+ m higher than the small fishing boat, which would imply a more vertical trajectory. There are no holes in the fishing boat working deck, whereas the top cover is damaged. This again suggests a lateral attack. There are other considerations in the article, regarding the fact that the fishermen didn't identify the ship apart from the red hull and black flanks, found in most of the tankers, and the size of the holes, but the ballistic test will take care of that, hopefully.
Another newspaper speaks about frequent shootings between Sri Lankan and Indian fishermen, for the fishing areas control, which caused 500 hundred Indian victims so far. Other scenarios are then possible - I don't say true, neither probable, but possible. I'm sure that the Indian courts will clarify these doubts.
Can you give us in the meanwhile some hints from your sources about those info? I count on your courtesy.
1) The Indian/Sri Lankan fishing incidents take place in the waters between India and Sri Lanka, which are well South of Kollam/Quilon and/or Cochin/Kochi. I wish the Italian media would re-check with Indians in Italy atleast on basic issues first, please?
2) Ballistic tests are underway, but the lack of co-operation from the ship's complement is surprising, so that will impact.
3) Please also remember - there would be enough data from onboard the ship as well as testimony from others on the ship.
4) Finally there is electronic evidence too.
Interim, we all pray for the safety of the people onboard the COSTA ALLEGRA, and please appreciate, same Indian Navy is doing its best too, to help.
Thank you for your quick answer. Re. the ballistic tests, unfortunately we learn that the two Italian ballistic experts will not be admitted to witness them, contrary to the initial court ruling.
This decision is not clever by any means, what harm can a simple witness do to the tests, and how many suspects will arise in our public opinion for the lack of control of this key evidence? Someone - not me - could suspect even that the police wants just to fire rounds from our own weapons and then "identify them". Is the forensic laboratory under the police control? If yes, the ballistic test is devoided of any objectivity, and hence value.
Now we have to rely entirely on the Kerala police for this key proof. Not a good move to appease public feelings in my opinion.
Few days ago you spoke about the Savina Caylyn hijacking by the Somalian pirates, involving Indian and Italian seafarers kidnapped for 11 months. You stated erroneously that the Italian authorities wanted to negotiate only for the Italian seamen, leaving the Indians in the hands of the pirates. I answered you that all of the seafarers were liberated in the end, Indians and Italians.
Now the true story surfaces:
1/ The pirates didn’t want to free the Indian seafarers for money, because India detains some Somalian pirates. The pirates wanted to exchange the Indian seamen against their comrades detained in Indian jails
2/ The Italian authorities ensured that the Indian seafarers were liberated first, by releasing from an helicopter only a portion of the multi-million ransom
3/ Once the Indian seafarers were free, the elicopter launched the second part of the ransom
4/ In the meanwhile our special forces, including probably Battaglione San Marco men, were monitoring the situation, ready to intervene in case of tricks by the pirates.
You will say that paying a ransom encourages piracy, but in this case – either this of the death of Italian and Indian seamen … Just for sake of precision.
Regards, Gallus.
Dear Gallus, so certainly, you are much more than a Chemical Engineer only!!
All the seafarers on the SAVINA CAYLYN, from the original crew, were liberated in the end. But there was much more to this than what you say here, and I am sorry, I will not reveal or endanger my sources as well as other seafarers by saying more.
I stand by what I said - at one stage, yes, the owners were negotiating only for the Italians on board as well as the ship and cargo. Eventually they came up with the rest of the money for the Indians from the SAVINA CAYLN too.
But were these the only seafarers onboard? And who all were left behind, and why?
Sir - don't underevaluate Italian Chemical Engineers!
Were there other people left behind? I don't know, I rely only on public news such as the one above, reported today in the Italian press.
At any rate I'm glad that also Indian seafarers were liberated, and if the owners didn't want to pay for them I'm glad as well that the Italian authorities did the right thing.
Dear malq,
Thank you for the replay. I agree with you : the picture is very sad, all over the world and not from yesterday. By the way conspiracies ARE carried on, sometimes successfully. As far as the reactions of the Italians on the Enrica Lexie affair, not all of them where charged up as you say. Maybe it was not the majority ( unfortunately the majority, as everywhere, too often stands with the main stream opinion and media and reacts as bulls, or simply don’t care ). Could they have done more ? It is not up to me to judge. Still I don’t think that the we – you approach is the winner. We have had that for too long. Just to mention, and as you probably know, some here in Italy sponsors it also about immigration ( not to mention religious faiths ). I don’t know about your country : I imagine is different but similar. Personally I am sick and tired of it. Sorry, I told you, it is just a personal ( but fortunately not an individual ) belief. So again best wishes to the good will Indian people.
( I will continue to follow your blog, but probably I will not participate any more, so you do not need to give me a replay. Thank you again for the corteuos attention. Best regards F.Z. ).
Dear Mr. Nagesh Kini FCA,
just for clarification. If your conclusion is that not Western powers ( Russia, China … : what else ? ) are clean of any charge I am sorry to say I don’t agree with you, for the simple reason that it is hardly believable. Maybe they have done less damages ( which I hardly believe : the Russian spoiled entire regions ), simply because they did lacked the same opportunities. I think it’s clear enough what I think of Western powers. I am not defending ( and by the way, attacking ) anybody. Power is corrupting everywhere. Simply I don’t like black and white pictures and above all I believe that an approach like : “ White men ( or Red or Black ) stand with me ! “, is a part ( and not a minor one ) of the very problem. Notice that here I am not arguing ; it’s a matter of personal beliefs. Best regards. F.Z
Thank you FZ for throwing light that dumping nuclear and chemical waste on Somalian shores has driven them to piracy.
It is sad that the Western powers are abusing their powers like bumping off the Italian journalist, some time back, an Indian entrepreneur was similarly done to death because his engineering product cut into their markets.
The charge that American and Scandinavian NGOs are into funding the anti-nuclear protests in Tamil Nadu comes as no surprise.
Dear malq, ( I imagine you are the author of the article, but this doesn’t make any real difference ) :
Thank you for the speedy acceptance of my request ( which apparently did not underwent to any scrutiny ), for the quick e-mal signaling the answer and for the content. I really appreciated. I confess I was not accustomed to this. I was sure that the matter of autopsy forbidden by religious motives was a fairy ( or rather ghost ) tale. The mother of the stupid and fanatic is always pregnant, as the saying goes, all over the world. May be this is the real problem of world overpopulation, if a joke is permitted on such circumstances. In fact I am really sad for the two poor guys, I mean the 2 fishermen and, don’t be surprised, even for the 2 Italian guys, ( even if I don’t like soldiers at all, especially commanders, mercenaries, private guards, special squads and the like ), which are the less responsible in the entire matter. ( I am reasoning in the assumption that they killed the 2 fishermen in an excess of auto defense, which is the more probable outcome of the matter, even if the solutions are still open. I don’t want to blame may countrymen either, before the legal truth is ascertained ).
I want to be clear. I don’t say so because I am an Italian, ( I would say the same if they were Indian or whatever ), I say so because the more that I read about the so called piracy, the more I discover a lot of dirt : huge interests, deployment of entire military fleets by tens of nations with careers, salaries etc., even construction of ships “optimized” for the purpose ( e.g. F125 German Frigates ), maneuvering of the entire issue “behind the scenes” for “political” and other reasons, big gains for respectable Insurance Companies, legal “counselors” and intermediates ( apparently based mainly in London ), “security agencies” and mercenaries, even development of specific technologies, and all this after the destruction and spoiling of an entire country ( I mean Somalia ), with pouring of nuclear and chemical waste on her shores ( a Italian female journalist was killed years ago for investigating on this ), predation of her natural sea resources, civil wars etc.. I will not be surprised if the “problem” of piracy will last for years with big gains and a few poor and derelict victims … It is a real big mess. I don’t know if I was able to explain myself : it is so difficult … ( but in a sense methinks also very clear even if apparently it is much easier to join the band and my Country etc. … ) Conclusion : my best greetings ( auguri ) to good will people all over the world. Hopefully they will be able to fix this big mess. Maybe it is a little rhetorical but I am convinced we desperately need them. I don’t’ see any other outcome. Best regards to you. F.Z.
1) I dare say the fish in the ocean do not think very kindly of fishermen either. A lot about truth is the angle you look at things from.
2) The situation with piracy in the Indian Ocean economies is most certainly more complex than is made out and can not be restriced in analysis only on what is happening to ships.
3) Italy's historical and modern day role in the Horn of Africa is well known and to a large extent the people of the coast always have their own understanding of matters maritime. It is no secret about which Nations are stirring the pot, who is behind supplying arms and more in this region, and for the furtherance of which religion.
That is the sad truth. This is no conspiracy theory, and maybe instead of being charged up about this incident, the Italian people should ask their own Government - why does it appear as though Italian controlled ships are increasingly specifically targetted in the piracy waters?
Humbly submitted/vm
ps: Good reading on the subject - Purulia Arms Drop case . . .
I am an Italian reader searching for international comments on the recent, and unfortunate, incident of Enrica Lexia. I will be very obliged if someone could answer to me on the following issue. It is true that the autopsy is not allowed in the town of Kochi, and in general in the State of Kerala, for religious motives ? Even if it is legally allowed there is some resistance under this aspect ? It sounds very strange to me, ( in Italy we are accustomed to very strange things too ), so I rely on the fairness of the answer. I apologize for my English and thanks in advance. Best greetings. F.Z.
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1) Autopsies for medico-legal and other reasons are regularly conducted all over India, including in Kerala and if you do a simple internet search you will find plenty of reports on the subject.
2) The authorities have priority over religious objections, if any, for autopsies. Especially in cases like this which involve violent and unnatural death.
3) The results of an autopsy are case property and can eventually be sought under the Right to Information Act of India 2005. Or sought by due process of law. Obviously there are elements of privacy, but at the end of the day, this is information available in open domain for those who require it for legitimate reasons.
4) Medical jurisprudence is well developed in India.
I have no idea why there are all sorts of reports about the autopsy of the two people murdered in the Enrica Lexie / St Antony case, when all procedures are being followed. Delays to procedures, if any, are perceived as being due to the tactics of the Italians in India who are reportedly objecting to investigations at every step of the way.
We find the attitude of the Italian authorities very strange in India. After all, this is just one of hundreds of Italian ships, and this is just one of hundreds of ships arrested for various reasons all over the world. The Indians have a right to investigate crimes of this sort in waters under its jurisdiction.
Matter of fact, in a similar case, of the ship "Alondra Rainbow" (Japanese owned, Panama flag) in 1999, when the suspect ship was brought back from 300 miles off the coast for similar crimes, the world maritime community applauded India's action. For keeping the oceans safe.
For just a moment, please think - if the Italian armed men did kill the fishermen, were they not as human beings obliged to stop and at least assist them?
I hope, dear Italian reader FZ, that you will appreciate one more thing - Kerala is a very literate State with 100% literacy. Over 25% of the population are Christians. All sorts of tourists from all over the world come to what is also known as 'God's Own Country'. Kerala is not some banana republic jungle - in some ways, the links between Europe and India were strongest in Kerala. The Roman Catholic church is very strong in Kerala.
It hurts us very much when Europeans doubt our fairness in this whole episode. We are very proud of the long history and civilisation in Kerala, and many of the churches in Kerala can track the history of some of the Apostles as well as other early Christians, way back to early AD.
Kerala, for example, also finds mention as the State where Jewish people never suffered any form of problem.
To my judgement, it has been the arrogance of the Italian diplomats and commentators that has spoilt and vitiated the complete atmosphere, as well as impacted communications.
Re: Tehelka, VM needs to be blessed for persistence. All men great and small, the Lord God made us all.
Wonder why this Tehelka writer circumnavigates (a sailor, I guess) around the key issues. I, too, have given my two bits elsewhere on the issue of jurisdiction, contiguous zones and hot pursuit - and to another comment on outsourcing the Indian Navy - its nuclear and Kilo subs, Stealth frigates, water jet FACs and 6,700 tonne destroyers, even its soon to be 3 aircraft carriers and the famous Brahmos missiles, to Italy or China.
After all, even in a citadel of the Indian media like Tehelka, it is assumed that the Indian Navy could not have forced an 'involuntary' return of the Enrica Lexie within the remaining 165-185 nautical miles of the Indian EEZ. May not be far from the truth given the kind of people who run the show in Delhi today. Tehelka would know.
But to other serious issues swept aside by the writer:
1. Like due process in law, there are rules of engagement for operations using lethal force, just about everywhere. These seem to have been rushed through by the Italian shipowners federation and the Ministry of Defence, as part of Law 107 of October last year to enable Italian soldiers to guard Italian-flagged vessels, on the basis of the shipowner footing the bill (a questionable practice, already).
However, the Italy-specific rules of engagement are not a public document. Agreed, some parts have to be kept classified, to avoid pirates pre-empting their choices, but its basic parameters need to be known.
I also have it on good authority that it was assumed that India (along with countries like Seychelles and Djibouti and some other major powers) would have no objections to embarking and disembarking Italian commandos and their weapons out of Kochi, headquarters of Southern Naval Command, and home to one of India's biggest projects - its new aircraft carrier (in which, ironically, Italian defense companies are contractors).
Let us not hesitate to also accept that, given the coyness in India about arms possession (.32 peashooters and 50 rounds of ammo a year is the mantra) that the Italians have made a request to India, some clerk has filed it somewhere, and the Italian soldiers in custody had NO idea about Indian law on the carriage of arms.
2. But now that the feces has hit the ventilator, it remains to be determined: what exactly are these rules of engagement - and were they followed ?
Are the rules fair and equitable - enough to have extra-territorial application, as a generally accepted principle of international law ?
Do they take account of the principle of proportionate violence, graduated escalation, immediate and overwhelming threat etc. - all part and parcel of legitimate defense, even for using a handgun. Or does the good writer from Tehelka subscribe to the Make My Day law in Colorado. Works, it seems, but risky too.
Let us not rush to judgement. The Indian boat will have evidence of a lot of things. Bullets in the bow or stern - in other words, was the boat attacking or fleeing ? Or was it hit/strafed across its flanks ? What was the range ? Was there an escalation in the caliber of ammunition ? Was there any attempt to immobilise the boat with shots ?
3. Simple issue. The presumption of innocence should be on everybody - the Italian soldiers, but the Indian fishermen/pirates, too.
Do the Rules of Engagement provide for 'cultural' issues - such as tired fishermen waving their hands and shouting to be heard. Every student of anthropology knows that 'suspicious' behaviour in one context is benign in another. Some men in India hold hands. Get the picture. In Greece, showing your palm may get you slapped.
Animals have rights, too. Even in a pig or deer hunt, there are rules - many of them sometimes - covering lethal force.
Being hit with (possibly a .50 caliber round, and its 15,000 joules of ballistic energy) while you are resting after a hard day of fishing is not cricket.
So, Tehelka's laundry list of figures on pirate attacks is good mind-gaming. But it does not answer Question (1) - on rules of engagement, or (2) on whether these are legal and were followed.
4. In (2) above, I mention legitimate defense. This is a basic principle of order, law and order, international order, and I am not going to go quote Hegel.
So, rights of self-defence also have responsibilities, and anyone in the business of using a firearm knows/has to know the immense responsibility it entails, even against an animal.
One can extend the Tehelka writer's analogy a little bit. Shipping is dangerous because of Somali piracy, and it threatens global commerce. Wow. Next we shall see him pitching to become Director General of the WTO.
But what he oh-so-delicately misses is the concomitant issue of responsibilities.
Should every big vessel in the Indian Ocean believe it okay to strafe suspicious looking boats, it will become a bit like trucks on the Delhi-Jaipur road at night. Not good for international commerce either. Not good at all. Or (no offense here) for Italian makers of recreational boats - especially power cruisers and RIBs - who see India as a huge opportunity. And given the low autonomy of these things, 100-150 nautical miles, what is the chance of a Mumbai filmstar or tycoon's favorite son coming across an oil tanker near Mumbai ? Very high, of course.
5. Let us stretch this Tehelka argument a bit more. After the Delhi attack, what if the Israelis began to bump away every red (or black) motorcycle ?
Indeed, the issue is not that of the explosive risks in an empty crude tanker. It could have been carrying spent nuclear fuel, or dosas. The question is one of explaining the rules of engagement, seeing if they are followed and were adequate as well as legitimate. No extra-territoriality alone here. The principle that a law is not necessarily legal has been around since Nuremberg.
6. Some other assumptions by Tehelka are also questionable:
- There are several means being discussed to prevent boarding a ship, such as water cannons. Forget the elaborate stuff. Pressure washers of 5,000 psi coupled to waterjets of 15,000 psi or more can achieve dissuasion through to lethality at 10,000 USD for the former to 30,000 USD for the latter. These are paltry sums compared to the ransoms paid - or the lives lost. Operating a sufficient number at potential boarding points through vents via surveillance from the bridge will not require a rocket scientist.
Nor would TASER, or gas vents, beginning with dispersed CS and then extending to CR. I can already hear the rejoinder - what if the pirates begin to use gas masks ? Well, then shoot them, of course, at a good distance. The Browning M2s used by the San Marco, for example, have an effective range of 1.5 kilometers. Enough to spot gas masks, and kill.
- 24x7 shifts are a joke. (Oh, poor guards. Look how hard they have to work. So did the fishermen).
Onboard radar, nightime thermal imaging, wide area video surveillance with up to 120 fps resolution and 720 X 480 pixels - these are all commercial products. Monitoring from a distance is not science fiction.
- What remains to be seen is whether the Rules of Engagement mandate real time incident video recorders, and whether this has been used. Here again, lots of possibilities. Forget the hyper tech. Commercial baby monitoring systems provide very decent solutions up to 100 meters in daylight.
7. Agreed on the Tehelka writer's conclusion. Piracy must be stopped. However, encouraging vigilantism (sovereign or freelance) is not the way.
I do think we should now let the law take its course. In and around India, that means Indian law, which is what stands. Any merchant vessel entering Indian waters accepts that, you may want to read up on the Maritime Zones Act of India 1976 and subsequent, as well as the Merchant Shipping Act of India, various aspects relevant to vessels entering India's EEZ and more.
The rest of your allegations, sadly, really do not deserve a response. My sincere apologies.
It was indeed very good hearing about your ancestors. We pray for them, as we do for everybody's ancestors.
Dear Gallus, what else can anybody say, since the beginning the Italian authorities and media say:-
# We warned them and then fired at them.
# We warned them and did not fire at them.
# It was another ship (OLYMPIC FLAIR)
# We were 30-40-50-60 miles away.
# Indian investigators / judiciary / navy / coast guard / government / etcetc are not competent or capabale or competent to handle the armed mercenaries.
Emotions and nationalism is not being stirred - please read who is monitoring and coordinating the COSTA ALLEGRA episode. Same indian Navy, same indians.
Please understand, this is cold simple truth, two Indians have been murdered. The suspects must face investigation and trial.
There are many Indians in Italian jails, there are surely many Italians in Indian jails, that's it. Truth is truth.
The Italian state TV just interviewed an expert in international affairs (Italian, for the record). His take is that there is not a single evidence in this case, the Indian authorities are violating all rules, and that they want to seize the weapons on board of the Enrica Lexie *before* showing the ballistic tests (if they exist at all) of the spent bullets. The risk of manipulation is evident. Moreover, on March 18th there will be elections, contrary to what malq answered me yesterday (Mr malq, are you Indian by the way?), and there is a strong political pressure to use the Italian soldiers against the Congress party.
A journalist added that the Italian government is "too weak" in front of the Indian authorities - does this remind you someone on this blog?
But personally I'm confident that the ballistic tests and the autopsy will be handled by the rules by Indian prosecutors, otherwise the whole investigation will appear deeply biased.
What Gallus writes is abs rubbish- that the ballistic tests of the spent bullets must be produced before they seize the weapons on the "merchant vessel" that had soldiers (I wonder if they had ranks) who without taking permission from the Captain have gone ahead & used their arms against the innocent fishing boat.
You fear manipulation; I fear the Houdini trick of dissapearance so its you against me- sorry.
Elections in Kerala; one or a few by-elections is a far cry from state elections, my friend. But you would not know.
Alf's comments apparently form part of the defence!
Surely a small Indian fishing boat well within Indian waters can by no stretch of imagination constitute "Somalian pirates". Firing warning shots,light flashes and other identification procedures are pure and simple afterthoughts. No puny fishing boat and no trawler would dare to heed the warnings, if any, coming from a massive ship.
The trigger happy murderers, their captains must be brought to Indian justice, the owners heavily penalised for sailing so closely to the coast and murdering our citizens in cold blood. No appeals but a fast track trial.
Thanks Gallus for stating your stand.
Let me tell you an old story. My grandparents used to hide Allied escaped POWs in their home 1943-44, when Italy was partly occupied by the Nazists. They did so because they believed in freedom and democracy. They did so at risk of their lives. In January 1944 the nazi and fascist Italian police pinned the organization, and many were arrested and tortured by the Gestapo. My grandparents were saved by the silence of some heroic men, who kept silent under torture. In the end many were executed in February 1944. Their head was a man called Anderlini, a friend of my family. He choose to be on the Allied side, and payed with his life and that of his family. Others choose the wrong side, and many paid with their lives, or simply did their duty like the soldiers of the Batallion San Marco in Tunisia in 1943, the last Axis troops to surrender and drop flag to the American and British armies.
I hope that this little, insignificant story can help you to understand that the "Italians", are my friend malq likes to say, are not an indistinct category, but a multitude of individuals, like you and me, with a story, ideals, and feelings.
My humble recommendation is: don't allow nationalism drive your thoughts and acts, as it didn't drive the thoughts and choices of my grandparents in 1944.
The two marines from "Reggimento San Marco" did not shoot the fishing boat
The two Italian marines from “Reggimento San Marco”, trained to think before taking action, strictly followed the standard procedures concerning the fight against piracy.
They fired warning shots to the air and water, to protect “their” territory, thus fully meeting the current regulations, in order to grant the safety of sea traffic threatened by criminal activities that jeopardize personal and economic freedom of movement in high seas.
The two marines of the Italian Navy, on board the Enrica Lexie as protection detachment, took action while in international waters, fully in accordance with the United Nations resolutions and with law N. 130, August 2nd 2011; as their action’s target was a “boat suspected of piracy.”
The Italian marines on board the Enrica Lexie, that was sailing off the Southwestern coasts of the Indian peninsula, intervened last Wednesday, at 12.30 (Italian time), after sighting a boat approaching with five armed people on board.
Despite light flashes signaling and the identification procedures performed by the marines, the fishing boat did not change her course. At that point, the marines shot three series of gun shots (20 in all), with dissuasion purpose, but did not hit at any time the hull of the “boat suspected of piracy.”
After the last series of shot, the fishing boat moved away from the Italian motor tanker.
"The crew of the Italian ship must be feeling guilty about the incident. In the stress posed by the moment, their armed guards had made a gruesome error. The remorse on the Enrica Lexie is equal to the pain that the bereaved families of fishermen must feel"
I know, Sandeep, thanks . . . and here's my message to Tarun Tejpal of Tehelka . . .
Dear Tarun,,
With all due respects, one did not expect such an article in TEHELKA, in
context with the article below by you, " These killers are not guilty -
Sushil Bhan on why the Enrica Lexie firing was an accident, not
manslaughter."
1) How is an assumption made that the Enrica Lexie was forgiven because she
was in "international waters" when realities are that the country of
beneficiary ownership of the said vessel does not subscribe to the relevant
convention called UNCLOS. In addition, the concept of Contiguous Zone as
well as Economic Zone also comes into play, from the moment the ship left
Malacca Straits to head into Indian waters around the Andamans. Is it
anybody's contention that I can take a boat out at Goa, head for exactly
12.01 miles offshore, and then be excused all crimes including murder?
Please, there has to be an understanding of the real laws and statutes
before making such statements as "international waters". There are enough
laws which permit stopping and searching or commandeering a vessel in the
middle of the ocean if it has been suspected of criminal activities
anywhere, and it happens all the time.
2) Throwing a grapple hook on the stern of aship, with prop churning, and
then somehow going up a height of atleast 15 metres above in a surging ocean
with multiple guards on top who can do everything from shoot you to throw
boiling hot water to simply cut the rope, is going to take some acrobatic
qualifications and expertise. And if the pirate falls, he falls right into
the prop, where he becomes mincemeat. Sorry, no way anybody going to board a
ship of this size and design from the stern, while underway.
3) If the fishing boat had to lob RPGs or more, then she could have done it
from a fair distance away, and need not have come so close that the
fishermen could be popped off like nine-pins.
4) What can forgive the "shoot and scoot" approach by the vessel after the
event, when even navies at war with each other stop to pick up injured
seafarers from the deep blue? And we are supposed to feel emotional about
their supposed remorse as per your essay?
5) There is a larger issue - the mismatch of realities on ships on who is in
charge of what when there are Armed guards onboard. The cockiness of an
armed soldier, whose Marco battalion faced the misfortune of surrendering to
the Indian Army in 1941, Tobruk and further, is to be understood even 71
years later. There are racial elements here which actually exist, especially
in newly re-emerging middle Europe - and this we have from people on board
the same company's ship, Savina Caylyn, where a 10-month hijack situation
actually led to some rather terrible scenarios for the Indians onboard -
when the negotiations reached a point where the Italians were negotiating
only for the ship, cargo and Italians onboard. (Indians being dispensable).
6) Most of all, there was no adherence to BMP3 or 4, there was only what
appears to have been a turkey shoot, followed by an arrogance of the sort
which went out with the gunboats up the Yellow River.
The Italians therefore feel that to kill Indians is of no account and how
dare people make a fuss; the statements from their Government appear to bear
this out. India needs to be firm and take no nonsense from anyone, she is a
major power and should be respected as such. And more than that, for ships
plying within Indian controlled waters, the guards onboard need to be
pre-approved by the Indian authorities.
Our ships would do the same if they carried guards near Naples. And please
don't tell us that ships are not attacked in the Med or Atlantic either!
Warm personal regards, and this was such an untypical article from your
magazine, that I had to respond.
Unfortunately you persist with false statements and a disturbing racist and nationalist attitude. Let me clarify some issues.
1/ You omit to say that the Savina Caylyn entire crew was released one year ago, after the payment of a 11.5 M USD ransom, including the 19 Indian nationals. Your statements about the Indian crew being "dispensable" are by all evidence plain and simple personal speculations.
2/ the Battalion San Marco did never surrender to an hypothetical "Indian Army" 71 years ago. This is again plainly false. But checking all facts is not part of your working methods, apparently.
3/ Please stop saying "the Italians" as if the acts of some individuals can epitomize a whole population. In my books, this can be easily qualified as racism. Moreover saying that for "Italians" killing Indians is "of no account" is really a crazy statement. How can you say so about 60 million people that you don't know?
4/ I am Italian, and I feel for the death of an Indian person exactly as one of any other person in this world. I feel for the two innocent fishermen, but I'm afraid that the truth is the first victim of nationalism and politics, as it is evident from your articles.
Apologies for being direct, but I can't withstand neither inaccurate statements nor nationalist hate makers.
Dear Iyer ji, thank you for writing in, and while I don't want to go deeper into what you say, I do wish to tell people that this is the way a soldier is made to surrender:-
Why this hue and cry?
We have accepted that people of Italian origin, and their descendants/relations, are above the law.
I am sure the Sibals and Singhvis will tell us that we should be thankful to these Italians for having helped us reduce our population.
It is really shocking to see the Italian criminals smoking cigarettes when they produced before the Judicial First Class Magistrate. Kerala is a place where smoking is disallowed in public place. Then, why should Policemen meekly allow them to smoke? There are many instances of Policemen threatening or beating people for smoking in public places. As V. S Achuthanandan, former Kerala CM says we should not show any "obeisance'to Italians !!
Italy already has a cruise goof up near its own coast not long along and did act swiftly. When the ship was deep in Indian waters and commits blue murder why all the soft peddling, even a admiral looking Italian is seen in Kerala. With so many Indians on board there obviously no communication gaps.
Strongest action, like action against the Captains and other members of the crew for destroying evidence needs to be initiated. They ought to be taken to jail, not CISF guest house with pizza. Why are not the SOP for alleged piracy not initiated?
The authorities in Delhi and Cochin ought to treat all the crew as criminals pure and simple.
Again "the Italians". A whole nation targeted by your tough words. When will you think in terms of persons, instead of nations? We learned in Europe the hard way that this way of thinking leads to hate and wars. I humbly suggest that you rephrase your sentence targeting "the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs", or the "Italian ambassador", or whatever individual or organization you prefer, otherwise it is all a useless chit-chat.
Thank you for giving yet another demonstration of the political implications of this case. The real target of this case is Sonia Gandhi, not the two soldiers. And she is targeted as a political party leader, not as an Italian-born Indian lady. I tremble for the destiny of our two soldiers, in the mid of an internal political struggle.
""“There is no doubt the two guards onboard ‘Enrica Lexie’ should be put behind the bars as an initial action. Further course of action should be decided at the diplomatic level, as any adverse move would affect thousands of Indian sailors employed by Italian shipping companies. It is true that fishing boats sometimes come too close to merchant vessels. The guards might have fired after the warnings did not make any impact on the fishermen,” pointed out Captain Manoj Francis of the Fleet Management Shipping Company, Hong Kong.""
Obviously Captain Manoj Francis of Fleet Management speaks for himself, and not for the rest of the Nation.
In any case, jobs on ships are basis merit and competency, and not on basis of flag or state or other parameters.
The bigger issues, and solutions, will be explained in part 4 soon,
The comments of Capt Manoj Francis that the two guards should be put behind bars as an initial action and then the diplomats take over is the voice of a fleet manager of a foreign shipping management company and nothing more.
He got his four stripes learning that the Captain is the one responsible for his ship and all that happens on his ship- so why are the two Captains and the duty watchkeepers kept away from the arms of the law. There have been murders and it has been because of firing from the merchant ship so all on the bridge and those in charge of communications have direct & indirect responsiblilty on the acts of ommission & commission.
Capt Francis is worried about thousands of seamen employed on Italian shipping companies- for telling the facts nobody will lose their jobs; they will in fact be appreciated.
Fishing all along the Indian coast is not something he does not know about surely- look at any maritime chart and it will show that all along the coast there are boats, nets, etc and that all ships should navigate with caution and keep out of the way of them.
Indian seamen are not employed because of love by the shipowners ( sorry mainly ship managers) it is because they are competent, they understand English (mostly) and are trust worthy- ofcourse also come cheaper than equivalent crew from other developing nations.
Please readers do not believe that the guards might have fired AFTER WARNINGS DID NOT MAKE ANY IMPACT; if there were warnings what were they- who initiated them; soldiers or the ship's command.
If as is made out to be that the soldiers fired without orders from the ship's command then this was not a tanker but an armed military vessel having solders in "command of the commander"
Well said, E Sylva, and thanks. Quite correct too.
Sad part is that I have heard similar sentiments from the babus and ex-shippies in the DGS, MMD and Shipping Master's offices too - "don't say anything, otherwise the Big Bad Sugar Daddy will get upset". Out there on the merchant navy groups too, the usual bunch of apologists is out there, making the usual noises about not disturbing the colonial mai-baap rani-raja.
Please also remember, there are many issues still wide open as far as the seas and oceans are concerned, including territorial claims. Some of the old colonial countries still hold on to or claim rights to territories that belong to other countries, and these continue to be debated, argued on and legally fought over. Examples are parts of the Andamans, Lakshwadeep, Falklands, Antacrtic, Arctic, Spratly Islands, and even till some time ago - Goa as well as Daman & Diu.
Italy's track record in these matters has been not of the best too, especially in the Arabian Sea and East African/Horn of Africa countries, and their Armed Forces are said to be still smarting over past glories lost as well as surrenders to Indian forces there.
There is an attitude issue with some of the people from the old colonial powers towards other users of the same seas and oceans, like fishermen, which surfaces regularly and is clearly known to seafarers on mixed nationality ships.
The preferred solution will be to ensure that Indian government approved guards are made mandatory for ships coming anywhere near Indian waters and wanting to carry armed guards. If these merchant ships want to keep any other guards, then they can stay 200 miles away, thank you very much indeed.
I am sure that the "Italian" curse that exists on our country, will persist in this situation also, and the owners / seafarers will go scot free. Fortunately, in Mumbai & Pune civic elections, the Congress(I) ... (I stands for Italian now, please note) was shown its place by voters. I do hope that in UP, once and for all, they throw out the below-normal-IQ Italian-lineage yuvraaj (I think Mayawati is 100 times better than the Italian lot).
I'm Italian and I feel deeply offended by your statements. I'm afraid that you learned a lot from your former English rulers. Mixing politics with nationalism and racism will lead inevitably to hate and war, it's the same mistake that we made in Italy nearly a century ago.
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